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Waterseas' answer appears to say "the creature spell won't get countered because it has already resolved by the time the ability goes off", when the real answer is "the creature spell won't get countered because abilities of things that are countered don't also cause their source to be countered"[email protected] Well, there's more than one way to approach the question, and one of them does involve timing.By the time an ETB ability has triggered, the source of it must have resolved already, and therefore cannot possibly be countered.

I tend to write my own answers as if the others might cease to exist at any [email protected] I was confused by what the question was asking at first, and I think that coloured my response.

Waterseas took this approach, he arrived at a definitive answer of "No.", and his logic is not [email protected] and Rainbolt To be honest, I did consider that my wording could lead to that conclusion.

If you have a better way to word it, please feel free to propose an edit. One more point of confusion: the first step of your first scenario is a common shortcut in casual games, although it isn't ideal play (because you're giving away information before you need to.) I see people announcing triggered ability targets as they cast quite often.

Triggered abilities do not go on the stack until the trigger for the ability is true.

Permanents are not actually on the battlefield until the spell resolves.

I tend to write my own answers as if the others might cease to exist at any [email protected] I was confused by what the question was asking at first, and I think that coloured my response.Waterseas took this approach, he arrived at a definitive answer of "No.", and his logic is not [email protected] and Rainbolt To be honest, I did consider that my wording could lead to that conclusion.If you have a better way to word it, please feel free to propose an edit. One more point of confusion: the first step of your first scenario is a common shortcut in casual games, although it isn't ideal play (because you're giving away information before you need to.) I see people announcing triggered ability targets as they cast quite often.Triggered abilities do not go on the stack until the trigger for the ability is true.Permanents are not actually on the battlefield until the spell resolves.It can be done explicitly, as part of a cache coherence protocol.